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    ISR RULES
    Posted by bambam on Thursday, April 22, 2010 7:41 PM

    I will list as most want to know, So they can change there sleds, As I am going to do. Take affect 6-1-10

    Stock:  Mostly same as last year

    Improved Stock: Mostly same as last year, MY BAD, Rail extensions are legal as it was.   Sorry for the confusion.

     

    Pro Stock: 1000cc Same as Last year, review in 1 year.

    Pro Stock:  500cc to 800cc,, Engine,Chaincase, upper and lower shaft  location  for the model and in stock location, (NO MOVEMENT),STOCK..,,,,,..Ignitions: MSD 7531 is NOT LEGAL,,,, All other aftermarket ignitions are legal, BUT U can not use , launch control, two step, stutter button, traction control, acceleration control, call it what u want, CANNOT USE.   ALL other rules for prostock stay the same,,,These rules are locked in for 3 years,,,,, REMEMBER if u use a different MSD box and have MSD put in the 7531 internals, OR SIMILAR, that have the controls listed above, THAT IS ILLEGAL, SO PLEASE do not try to manipulate the rules in your favor, as people are already trying to do!!!!!! YES IT CAN BE DETECTED WITH A LAP TOP, DO NOT GET YOURSELF DQ'ed,

    All of u make the change and go race as I am making my changes,  It is amazing more people know what I am doing, then I do myself,

    I never talked to ICEMAN 700 or know who he is.

    I am working 12 hours a day, 6 days a week in the worst economy, I can remember in my adult life.

    I do not have time to post again, This is what it is,, MY time will be spent to fix my own sleds and GO fast, As I have done for 29 years,,,  6 of our 10 sleds are ready to race.

    All u Guys needed to do was call your affiliate or isr, and u would have had your answers!!!!!!! STOP listening to HE said, SHE said, or people that have know idea what they are talking about, or do not even drag race, except with there computer.

    ONCE AGAIN I have attended the ISR DRag race meetings for 26 years, AGAIN I cannot put anything on the agenda, I cannot make a motion, I cannot VOTE!!!!!!!   So if anyone is blaming me, Get your Dam facts right!!!!!

    If this does not answer questions, and u do not want to call your affiliate or isr, give me a call, I will try and help u,    Cell 708 774 0604

    Thanks CRAIG MARCHBANK #00

     

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    Posted by dyna-tek racing on Thursday, April 22, 2010 8:13 PM

    Thanks for the heads up craig,now i can get wrenching.no mention of stock stroke only ???Ill give you a call when i get a chance.

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    Posted by cousino&sonsdriver on Thursday, April 22, 2010 8:34 PM

    .isr/ whoever it might be that thought of these stupid,ignorant, goofy fu*****g rules  just took 1 prostock 800 out of the mix for sure and we were competitive with it.  This is so stupid to do this when the sport is eroding to nothing. How do they think this will "improve" the sport? By going backwards?  No rail exstensions in imp classes?  Most all the  sleds i see and drive, have rail exstensions on them.  No studder buttons? wtf is with that? Who made that up is what i would like to know. What is the difference. It is PROSTOCK.  No shaft movement? I know our sled is stock, but i know alot of ck111 chassis`s  that are not. I feel bad for them guys. Its total bs. Looks like there will be one less trailer in the pits this year.  We will just have to go play at the backyard races. What a damn shame but hey, i didnt make these sh***y rules. Greg Thomas 330 301 5370. THIS IS NOT A STAB AT ANYONE ON HERE. SORRY TO BE SO UNPROFESSIONAL.

     156.76 MPH 1/4 MILE CLUB.

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    Posted by PROMOD on Thursday, April 22, 2010 8:56 PM

    they still have the promod class for the 800 class there just wont be many people in the prostock class if they have that class prostock.and by what cosdra sade he running the same rules as the last 2 years and he runs most of the good races .and if they do have a prostock class just dont put no bonus money in  that class just put it in the promod class.just kinda sucks was nice to run both classes.im not worried about it. it is what it is.im not changing my sled.

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    Posted by hallnracing on Friday, April 23, 2010 6:32 AM

    I think its great that Craig came on here and explained these new rules, but I would feel a lot better about ordering new ignition boxes, having custom rails cut, moving shafts, re-tuning for no stutter, etc if I saw something in writing from isr. It seems unreasonable to expect these changes on such short notice. Maybe an isr affiliate can post a link to their website, or attach the actual isr bulletin to a post here??

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    • From: lansing MI
    Posted by oldschool780 on Friday, April 23, 2010 7:08 AM

    why would they not let you move the shafts in pro 8??? I was going to build a ck3 this year but dont want to if its going to saw its self inhalf!! No

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    • From: Porcupine Ont.
    Posted by machz69x on Friday, April 23, 2010 7:27 AM

    I was told from an affiliate that was at the meeting, that rail extentions was now allowed in all improved classes? but the no moving of the shafts for prostock was what he said. I'll see if I can get a hold of him and I'll try to post something. Maybe ARM-MECH can post a little on this.

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    Posted by GrassCat31 on Friday, April 23, 2010 10:32 AM

    COSDRA,

    Where can I find the complete set of rules you will use?

     

    Thanks

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    • From: buffalo,ny Team Hyper racing, 800 improver, 03 f7stocker ,98 ck3 ps 800, 2012 800 procross stocker
    Posted by d&d 1107 on Friday, April 23, 2010 12:25 PM
    On his website
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    Posted by bman on Friday, April 23, 2010 3:28 PM

    what makes the msd7531 illegal and all the other ones not?  seems to me if you are going to single out one aftermarket ignition then they all must go.  not allowing studder buttons.  you want to tell me that they help that much.  i've seen many more races won without them then i have with them.   same with the shaft location.  my sled goes no faster with the 10t drivers then it did with the 9t.  promod will be the class to be in from now on. 

    krm
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    Posted by krm on Friday, April 23, 2010 3:54 PM

    well this sucks !!just got done building a new chassie as the old one was worn out .heard they might also thy to get someone else to run hay days thats isr ??(not kris))??stopped racing stock because it was always a head ache, now prostock has turned into the same thing .think i'll have to stick with oval racing ,and forget this baloney !!

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    • From: Montreal Quebec
    Posted by Clayton on Friday, April 23, 2010 4:16 PM

    No wonder sactioned drag races have turn outs of 50-75 sleds spread over 15-20 classes. Meanwhile Snowdrags, hillclimbs, and snocross keep growing larger each year. It is totally unfair to "take away" modifications that were allowed in the past. These new rules are "not in the interest of safety" as cleated tracks were in the past. I don't understand why they would do this.

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    Posted by PROMOD on Friday, April 23, 2010 4:56 PM

    thats easy to answer that one factory dosnt want to see the old ck3 and old cats in the races.that is true not like the rules they changes are for safety  they been around for what like  10 years or more.it easy for the new twins they already have 10 thooth drrives in them and plenty of room for studs not like the ck3.its not like if you get 8 sleds that have chaincases and shaft moved  show up and u only have like 3 twins show up what are they going to do tell u sorry u cant race.i cant see that happening.been told today cosdra got haydays and he is running last 2 years rules so dont worrie about just show up and race.how many races out the on the grass are isr now not many

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    Posted by polaris 93 on Friday, April 23, 2010 8:10 PM

    so do improvers need one piece rails? what a bunch of bs.  whats the reason for that? safety?

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    • From: Fairview, Pa
    Posted by Bay City Bullet on Friday, April 23, 2010 9:25 PM

    Greg, eep, opp, orp, unprofessional.....Edit button....Not....

    Craig, Nice job standing up for yourself.

    COSDRA.....What rulebook? Changes like the promoters mood.  

     

    Strong clubs build great trail systems

    We don't always win, we ALWAYS learn! If you're afraid to lose, you're already lost. 

    krm
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    Posted by krm on Saturday, April 24, 2010 5:17 AM

    dan,sno bash WILL be isr .i'll call dave ernst this week and let you know ..have a nice summer ,and i hope your leg is feeling better .

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    Posted by PROMOD on Saturday, April 24, 2010 7:37 AM

    yah thats ok just wont run prostock they run promod there.leg is getting better.

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    • From: Fairview, Pa
    Posted by Bay City Bullet on Saturday, April 24, 2010 6:56 PM

    Can't post smiles.....Where's the lightbulb avatar?

    Anybody think I.S.R. is trying to bust the "good old boy's network"?

    I recall getting told to "back off " of  calling out the association that doesn't follow the I.S.R. rulebook because they "Take care of us guys in Prostock" Hmmm.... lightbulb.....I.S.R. will cater to the "new people".....other association becomes obsolete due to not catering to new people.....will take time, never know,depends, yeehaw.... As the stomach turns.

    Strong clubs build great trail systems

    We don't always win, we ALWAYS learn! If you're afraid to lose, you're already lost. 

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    • From: wisconsin
    Posted by ZEEKMAN#37 on Saturday, April 24, 2010 8:24 PM

     None of you idiots get it. I have known Craig for 25+ years and have never once heard him complain about rules not being in his favor.He just makes his sleds comply to the rules handed to him and then promptly goes out and kicks all of your ***$$es.Do you see the rule changes mandated by the NHRA every year to the top fuel and funny car guys? MAJOR changes that cost thousands and thousands of dollars.John Force doesnt complain,he fixes his cars to run in the program at a cost of who knows what!!???!! As it has been stated before,Pro-Stock is in no way a "beginner" class and should not be treated as such. New people will continue to come into this sport and be crushed by the bad boys.Some will stick it out and be sucessful, others will fall by the wayside just as they have for the last 30 years.Everybody needs to forget their sense of almighty entitlement and make their stuff run hard and let the cards fall as they may. Craig has to get his sleds to comply before the season starts,where are all of you?? Bitchin on the soapbox that your stuff doesnt comply!! See a problem here?? GET TO WORK!!

     As Hamrah always says.Its no wonder snowmobile racing is still one notch below lawnmower racingIdea Theres your light bulb Joe

     

    JOHN KINNA
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    • From: S.WISCONSIN
    Posted by PROSTK79 on Saturday, April 24, 2010 8:33 PM

    ZZEEEEEEEEEKY,,,,WELL SAID!Cool

    John Hackett 608-295-2633 THE BS DETECTOR THE BENCH RACER

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9qiqTPknXM

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    • From: Grass Lake, MI
    Posted by tbrennan26 on Saturday, April 24, 2010 9:30 PM
    I've been to a few of these meetings. As far as I can remember,the only rules that can go into effect the same year are safety rules. Did the affiliates vote on these rules last year?
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    Posted by hallnracing on Sunday, April 25, 2010 6:56 AM

    Zeekman, I totally agree with your philosophy, but your analogy to NHRA doesn't really hold. Also, since you brought it up, Craig has been one of the most vocal complainers about aftermarket ignitions for years (including posts on this forum). I see no problem with it, and I bet John Force complains about rules too. I don't know any competitive racer that doesn't have something to say about the rules. Though I think these rule changes are stupid, I would follow them to the letter, if I could just see them. I don't see why this change needs to go into effect so quickly. If it is going to encourage more prostocks to be built, just the information that it will go into effect next year should be enough. NHRA has a website with current rules posted. Since ISR does not communicate directly with the racers, I assume it is the responsibility of the affiliates to inform the racers. Can somebody please tell me where I can find these rules. I cannot seem to get on nsra's website. Is there another affiliate's website that might have the bulletin posted?  I'm pretty sure John Force wouldn't start cutting his chassis apart or changing his ignition based on information found on amsnow.

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    • From: lansing MI
    Posted by oldschool780 on Sunday, April 25, 2010 7:33 AM

    still not sure why a 1000 pro can move there shafts but 800 and down cannot??? maybe who ever is making this rule's still needs there triple in the 1000 class!! 

    .....you can already see it will take all the ck3's  out of pro 800.....now who would want that?? wont be much to brag about when you beat 1 sled to win prostock!! see you all in PROMOD!!!

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    Posted by PROMOD on Sunday, April 25, 2010 7:51 AM

    i was thinking the same  thing why 1000 pro is ok and not  800 below?someone must running a ck3 in the 1000 class.i would like to know whos idea it was to change the rule anyways.and no studder box. they must not use them either.not worried about it just one less sled in pro 800.

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    • From: Fairview, Pa
    Posted by Bay City Bullet on Sunday, April 25, 2010 8:05 AM

    Or maybe they are caterting to the "old people" that show up at the meeting, put in their 2 cents & don't like aftermarket ignitions? Who will ever know for sure,  they still need to set some rules & lock them in for awhile. The drama will continue.

    Thanks John, I'll stick to mowers. :-)

    Strong clubs build great trail systems

    We don't always win, we ALWAYS learn! If you're afraid to lose, you're already lost. 

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    Posted by bman on Sunday, April 25, 2010 9:44 AM

    ZEEKMAN#37

     None of you idiots get it. I have known Craig for 25+ years and have never once heard him complain about rules not being in his favor.He just makes his sleds comply to the rules handed to him and then promptly goes out and kicks all of your ***$$es.Do you see the rule changes mandated by the NHRA every year to the top fuel and funny car guys? MAJOR changes that cost thousands and thousands of dollars.John Force doesnt complain,he fixes his cars to run in the program at a cost of who knows what!!???!! As it has been stated before,Pro-Stock is in no way a "beginner" class and should not be treated as such. New people will continue to come into this sport and be crushed by the bad boys.Some will stick it out and be sucessful, others will fall by the wayside just as they have for the last 30 years.Everybody needs to forget their sense of almighty entitlement and make their stuff run hard and let the cards fall as they may. Craig has to get his sleds to comply before the season starts,where are all of you?? Bitchin on the soapbox that your stuff doesnt comply!! See a problem here?? GET TO WORK!!

     As Hamrah always says.Its no wonder snowmobile racing is still one notch below lawnmower racingIdea Theres your light bulb Joe

     

    i think we "idiots" get it.  you're comparing apples to oranges when you are talking about john force and snowmobile racing.  you're right in no sense complaing about it because apparetly it's done.  that is great craig changes his sleds to comply with the rules.  i have had great conversations with craig at events we are at with him and in no way am bashing him.  the problem is alot of us have spent thousands of dollars to get our sleds to run the way they do with the way things were.  and now have to spend countless dollars to once again comply with the rules.   craig has a very successful business that he can do all the changes.  some of us are getting killed by the economy and can't.  these rules will prob eliminate 90% of the triples in prostock seems how most are doo's.  now when that happens and you win prostock can you really call yourslef a winner when all the competion in the class is gone?  guess a win is a win though.  good luck oin the promod class though when the triples hand you your *** again.  i just hope all the promotors take the money out of prostock and put it in promod instead where the competition is.  the comment about chuck, this is why he doesn't race the grass anymore.  to much bullshite.

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    • From: wisconsin
    Posted by ZEEKMAN#37 on Sunday, April 25, 2010 10:02 AM

     Glenn,BMAN. I can also see your points but instead of slamming people and their "agendas" I would think it would be prudent to contact people with first hand knowledge of these rule changes and get them done to my sleds ASAP. I have had to make a ton of last minute changes to my stuff before,did not piss and moan just did it because that was what I was told to do. And as far as my John Force analogy goes.Id say im not as far off as everybody likes to think.Maybe on a larger scale but dollar for dollar I bet the changes equal themselves.Hes got stuff to change,he changes it,doesnt get on the computer to piss and moan about.Everybody can make their sleds run without aftermarket ignitions and no studders.Just gonna make you drive your sled instead of being a monkey.Anybody can slam the throttle to the bar and let out a button when they see green.How about being a "driver",bring the sled up to 150 to 200 RPM below engagement,listen to the motor,hold it there and cut a light.Thats what drivers can do.Craig has 10 sleds to "fix" Most others have 1 or 2.Im not saying you gotta be happy about this but it does no good to cry about anything on here.Id get on the phone,get the changes documented and then fix my sled to comply to the rules.Not too hard really.

    JOHN KINNA
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    Posted by PROMOD on Sunday, April 25, 2010 10:19 AM

    Idea i have  a new rule for 800 and below no tracks longer then 128 in .sounds as good as no movement as the chain case

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    Posted by hallnracing on Sunday, April 25, 2010 10:30 AM

    Zeekman, I am not slamming anyone, you are the one calling people idiots. How about posting a lnk to the isr bulletin, if its really not that hard.

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    • From: wisconsin
    Posted by ZEEKMAN#37 on Sunday, April 25, 2010 10:36 AM

     Glenn.You have been doing this long enough.I'm sure you have a phone and some numbers of people  to call.

    JOHN KINNA

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