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    no spark 98 mach z

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    • From: Beer Town USA
    no spark 98 mach z
    Posted by modmachz on Monday, September 19, 2005 9:14 PM
    98 mach z had spark when sled was stored last spring, and now no spark, has anybody had this problem, sled only has 1000 mi on it.with d.e.s.s could that be it or the stator or cdi what is the common problem that has been found out there...

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    • From: Beech Island, SC
    Posted by 6zfIII on Monday, September 19, 2005 9:28 PM
    Mine was junk stator, but was told that a bad dess connection can cause the problem. Corrodid terminals.
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    • From: Beer Town USA
    Posted by modmachz on Monday, September 19, 2005 9:41 PM
    Terminals, you mean were the wire harness plugs in behind the dash,because inside the cap is a small chip ,and I cannot see anything wrong with that..

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    • From: Syracuse NY
    Posted by NOS42 on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 6:28 AM
    check the 2 big connectors by the dash.....had some trouble with those with loose connections.....also if I remember there was some trouble with the wiring harness rubbing through under the engine by the bulkhead....it rubbed through the plastic coating then the wires causing a no start problem......and then theres always the stator LOL
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    • From: Shelby twp. , MI
    Posted by onebad800 on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 9:58 AM
    I HAVE A STATOR AND CDI AND DESS POST IF NEEDED.

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    Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, September 22, 2005 12:34 PM
    I have seen over the years every electrical component on these sleds fail, more than once, the last one was the CDI. They are a real electrical nightmare!
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    • From: Beer Town USA
    Posted by modmachz on Friday, October 14, 2005 9:06 PM
    checked the dess post and it works fine, there is a test for it and it passed, I am leaning toward a stator, checked all connections,and are clean and perfect, this sled only has less than 800mi on it and was kept indoors, also we were out late last season and it worked fine, put it away and tried it a few weeks ago and no spark, the only thing mind boggeling is that it worked great, no signs of running issue...stator???

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    Posted by G-ville Gypsy on Friday, October 14, 2005 10:00 PM
    The 98's are notorious for electrical problems. Do your self a favor and get a new harness and components from a 99, that's what I did. If not this will only be the beginning and something else will happen, usually when there's snow on the ground.
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    • From: Beer Town USA
    Posted by modmachz on Saturday, October 15, 2005 8:59 AM
    yea that sounds great and all, but this sled is clean as a whistle, I cannot immagine replacing all that stuff, there has to be a problem that can be solved without replacing everything,what they had bad stators, cdi, trigger,kill and dess switches, coils etc. I find that very hard to beleive, there has to be a problem with one of the componants..I still think a stator, but just waiting to see if someone had this problem, this thing ran fine, than stored it, took it out and no spark...????

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    Posted by G-ville Gypsy on Saturday, October 15, 2005 12:29 PM
    Like I said before I went through the same problem. I changed my stator ($300.00) ran fine for about two weeks than no spark again. I chased the problem for about two weeks, and it cost me about $600.00), until a friend told me to change the harness and everything. That was two years ago and never had a problem again. The 98 had recalls on all sorts of stuff electrical, a real night mare. Good luck fishing!
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    Posted by mxz1100 on Sunday, October 16, 2005 11:11 PM
    For one thing the G-ville Gypsy doesnt even have a 98 mach z and never did, he is a complete idiot. If you were smart you would change everything over from a 97 machz there is no rev limit and no dess. I  know  the G-ville Gypsy he rides a 86 safari 377, would you take any advise from some clown  that is stuck in the 80s.  
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    • From: Beer Town USA
    Posted by modmachz on Monday, October 17, 2005 8:20 PM

    He does sound like a clown on crack....

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    • From: Minnesota
    Posted by Outlawed Racing on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 3:47 PM

    You can bypass the wiring harness and plug the DESS post directly into the CDI/Brain Box thats under the motor.  This will bypass the wiring under the hood and tell you if its the stator or the wiring.

    The 1998 CK-3 did have alot of electrical recalls, it for one was a wiring update that replaced the wiring, because they did rub through and short out.  The advise he is giving you is valid and good.

    I have owned several of these and they had the same issues, stator or shorts in the wiring system. Even with as few as 800 miles.  This year is also notorious for spider cracks in the primary clutch faces.   

    At one point one of these websites had recal or service bulletin updates and this information was public.  You also can call your dealer, and they will inform you of the same issues.

    The Stators do go out just like that.  I rode one in 1998 across Lake Gogebic in the UP Michigan, parked at Hoop and Hollar, had a beer, cam out no spark, same issue!

    That time it was the Stator!

    Also check for mice damage eating the wires if you just pulled it from storage.

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    Posted by G-ville Gypsy on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 8:54 PM

    Hey,How's that sled running? Oh yeah it's not!! HA!HA!HA! Clown Boy!

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    Posted by G-ville Gypsy on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 9:03 PM
    If you're going to insult me at least get it right! My safari is a 1987! It is also the same 1987 that's going to smoke your piece of *** in the field on thursday. Oh by the way I left your sled out in the rain, and I borrowed a few parts off it. Hope you don't mind? You might want to bring some more buttons for the secondary before you come up? You had better hold Modmach's hand, because he sounds like a real idiot who probably doesn't even know where his stator is. The 80's rock, I'm the G-Ville Gypsy and I'm east bound and down! Roger that smokey!
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    • From: Race Central
    Posted by Iceman 700 on Thursday, October 20, 2005 1:05 AM
    The 98 CKIII's all had issues with the wiring. Most of the recalls were to put the wiring in protective sheaves like they do on cars. One of the biggest problems is the wiring under the motor was rubbing on the case or the bulkhead and getting barespots causing things to short out. Like the stator. Also, most Doo's have issues with the stators, for some reason they fry.

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    Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, October 20, 2005 3:48 PM

     my freind bought a 98 with a 1000 miles on it the same problem with it i changed everything pickup,coils,stator ec.. it was the CDI box !!!

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    • From: Beer Town USA
    Posted by modmachz on Thursday, October 20, 2005 4:30 PM
    Hey g ville idiot, I forgot more than you will or would ever know,why don't you go on someones elses post and act like a 2 yr old...

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    Posted by G-ville Gypsy on Friday, October 21, 2005 4:31 PM
    Ok Tough guy! If you're so smart , and know so much, than why are you asking the stupidest questions? Oh, maybe because you have NO clue!!! 
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    • From: Beer Town USA
    Posted by modmachz on Friday, October 21, 2005 7:48 PM
    Oh alright big fella, your right               NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    • From: Beer Town USA
    Posted by modmachz on Friday, October 21, 2005 7:51 PM
    NEWBIE,,,YOU REALLY ARE MAKING A REAL ASS OF YOURSELF, AND I SURE HOPE YOU NEVER NEED TO ASK A QUESTION ON HERE, BECAUSE YOU WILL REALLY GET A GOOD ANSWER FROM THE PEOPLE ON THIS FORUM...AFTER YOUR STUPID ACTIONS???????

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    Posted by KBK on Friday, October 21, 2005 8:45 PM
    It is most likely the stator.We used to carry one on the trail along with the tools to change it.I would first plug in a different CDI box if you have a bud with the same sled.It won't move with the wrong CDI but will idle fine if that was the problem.
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    • From: Beer Town USA
    Posted by modmachz on Friday, October 21, 2005 9:10 PM
    I finally will get back to work on it saturday, I have a new stator for it, checked all the wiring, nothing rubbed through anywere, like I said this sled just came off the showroom floor spotless..will post my results as they come available..

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    Posted by Petschke on Monday, October 31, 2005 1:55 PM
    to find bad wiring you have to pull the engine if you see any and I mean any of the wire coating even slightly rubbed of  like a little flat you can have a spark jump threw the coating and short out, I dissasemble the plugs slide heat shrink over each wire shrink it down then put a heat shrink over the whole harness and shrink it then put the corragated plastic covering over it.
    these things if over looked will cause you more problems after you install new electric components.
    I had atleast 10 sleds 98-00 to fix after the dealers had put on new stators and cdi boxes these guy's would pick them up from the dealers ride them about 100 miles then shut them off and they would not start up.
    let them set over night in some cases the wires would get cold shrink up just enough to get off the aluminum bulkhead and fire right up till they got warm and shut them off again.

    save youself a headache now and do it right once than do it wrong twice.

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    Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, November 17, 2005 11:05 AM
    hey man,Ilive in ontario canada,just came across this forum and read you mach z problem,don,t know if you found your problem but i had the same issues.I bought it with 800 km at the end of the year (demo) and my stator blew,had it replaced, got 3 km and it died again.Turns out the wiring was rubbing under the motor and blowing them.Then the cdi started to blow every time I would pull it out of storage for the season.After 2 seasons of replacing it,ski-doo finnally said the would send an updated box.I got this all under warranty for three seasons.Since then I haven't had a problem.Check your dealer to see if they can get an updated box.
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    • From: Beer Town USA
    Posted by modmachz on Sunday, November 20, 2005 3:26 PM
    well finally got back to this thing and it was the cdi unit,it has all the wiring updates and the wires are wrapped and out of the way of anything to touch them,don't know why the cdi went out but that is what it was.would really liked to have found something but went through everything and seen nothing also took all connections apart and put some dielectric grease in them...

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    Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 22, 2005 4:17 PM

    I have the same problem with no spark.  Put it away last fall and now no spark.  I have a 98 Mach 1.  Is the CDI unit located / mounted under the motor?  Did you do a test to determine that the CDI was bad?  To get to the CDI unit, is it easier to take out the air box and perhaps carbs, or remove the exhaust.  Mine has aftermarket individual exhaust pipes - look like a pain to take apart and reassemble.

    Look forward to any guidance that you can provide.

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    Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 22, 2005 7:01 PM
    Try talking to a good dealer, mine told me he could anylize a spark issue for a maximum of 70 dollars and tell me what was wrong even with the sled not runnable, good luck
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    Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, November 10, 2007 2:36 PM
    I also have a 98 mach z tried to start this fall no spark and all the wires have been wraped and away from fram.Is there a way to do a self test on the stator or not?
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    Posted by Thaynes86 on Monday, December 19, 2016 11:20 PM
    I'm trying to make a post to ask a question how do I do that?

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