Snowmobile Racing

trailguy wrote:

bman, YOU had better get YOUR facts correct before you post on the internet.  When his rookey 110 lb enexperienced MOD driver wheelied up in the finall (Guess what it wasn't the rookies fault he did great not looping it. Rich Daly

Since you want to get the facts straight Rich, you may want to do so yourself. The socalled inexperienced driver is not some kid that walked off the street to race. He has earned his dues, and came up through the ranks slower than many others driving in the open mod class. He started in juniors for 2 years, turned pro driving only a 440 stocker(winning the points championship I might add), then running a stock 800 for 2 more years. Then spent the summer slowly learning to drive the mod properly on a real race track (oh yeah his father owns one). After doing a little quick math, 7 years of racing + testing 3+ nights a week + off weekends + preseason  = over 1850 passes down the race track (my notebook is in the truck if you ever want to look).  He may even have as many passes as you, maybe more. He has never been rushed into moving up the ladder, just ask the many prostock owners what the answer has been over the last 4 years about driving their sleds, it never happened. Rookie season for the mod class, YES, inexperienced NO. I guess I only have 2 questions for you Rich, Did you take this long before advancing to the mod class ?   And just how did you do against him on the line at snobash ?!!

Just a quick note do all you guy's really think all this is good for our sport.i think not!!

there was alot of question on tech at ohio .the tech guy i can stand up for and tell all that he has only the highest regard for the integrity of our sport. now weather things were handled right or wrong that a matter of opinion.now the job of tech director is a no win postion that the pay greatly do not justify all. but that aside rules are rules and writen rules are black and white not grey.the silencer rule is black and white so why is this an issue .clay fixed the problem and thats that. now as for rich dailey his stuff in the past has been less than structerly sound and he admited himself the sled had no brakes so if he feels he is being picked on i dont know ,but bringing a sled to (pre tech with a garbage bag for a mudd flap and knowing he has no brakes somehow his credabilty is in question.im truly sorry about all the *** about having a open mod and doing tech on the class is such an issue anybody that knows mickey sould not question the mans integrity he has the highest regaurd for our sport and IS the best man for the job for tech. our sleds are teched the same way as lanneys sleds rich daileys sleds or d&ds sleds anyone who thinks diferently is intitaled to there opinion but has a lot to learn.

                                                                                                  Bob Travis. 7x

As per the ISR rulebook, No tech official can have any affiliation with a racer in said class.

It's called conflict of intrest.

This is one more bad deal for the sport.

You need to get a new tech official , regardless of anyones personal views of Mickey and his integrity ...

It's not only unfair to ALL competitors. Its a REASON for racers to NOT attend.

Gus

my next ? to all is who are you going to get that knows nobody and is qualified seems to be the question of the day

Prostock7x ,  just curious who's engine's , suspension, you are currently using . Thanks

I'm starting early tonite some of you are missing the whole point of this post my intent is to bring the facts out for 2 reasons our sport & promoters like the club at a Ohio do not need the stupid tech rulebook reader who becomes God & the sports savior by chasing legal people away. By the way I don't have a high IQ was a b student. Nothing against the kid driving Mickey's he is a rookie & in experienced on open Mods & I complimented his driving. Let me explain the 2" rule in so a 1st grader can understand. First its not just Mickey that doesn't understand suspension safety. As a ROOKIE winning pro stock at the Pro race a Balsam I was informed by Tony P my sled was illegal because it didn't have 2" of travel with my 150lbs sitting on it. Being new at the sport I pointed out that I had bought Crank Shop shocks ( a sponser of Pro) & a Pro Line suspension so why would Larry sell me illegal shocks, & I had stiffened my rear shock that day to adjust to keep the front end down. Tony Lapier was 2nd, same shocks after he jumped up a down on each shock tower he was deemed legal as the sled flexed. So I got the kid with me Bullfrog 275lbs to jump on my sled flex & bend the tunnel. The more he jumped the more it bent & Dave M. said 2" passes. I drove home scared & in shock at what had just happened. (nobody told me to put a board under the rear wheels which helps lever some, but not the answer if your suspension is set correct for a good start or big bumps. I called Johnnie a Pro Line & he explained that some people would bolt & lock the suspension. Could you look under & see that. Yes. My second dangerous experience was Hay Days tech show us 2" (I had my stupid 2x 4 it still wouldn't move 2" so I loosend the spring (it stripped the alum threads on the shock) After explaining simple suspension theory to the tech guy as I'm jumping up & down on the front. He said I understand its a stupid insurance requirement. I went over & explained everything to Dick Goki surely he would understand & somehow correct the wording before someone wheelied over backwards or sheared bolts or broke suspension parts from being too soft. Basic suspension If a 1000 Mod or Pro stock has 2" of travel total & you can move it 2" in the pits you know nothing about suspension tuning or set up. If it moves 2" in the pits that means at 100 mph when you hit a bump you have no travel. 1 of 2 things will happen something will bend or break or bounce in the air ( amount will be determined by speed, depth of the bump, angle of the bump & weight of vehicle, & lets not forget acceleration or braking is a major part of force. To give you some examples to clarify Your car has 6" of travel & 1" sag if push my 150 lbs on it & it moves down 5"(full travel) when you hit a bump you will almost be out of travel  & bottom hard. Car engineers are smarter than that you can not bottom it at rest. Motocross bikes have 12" of travel (Pro Stock sleds have 2") The ISR rulebook says the sled must move 2" in the pits. The AMA rule book says with the rider seated on the bike the front & rear suspension must move 12" it also states they are not liable for frame breakage, sheared shock bolts, broken feet when the rider lands off the first jump with no suspension. It also states he will probably wheelie over backwards on the start when he hits the gas & the rear goes down 12". Guys do you get the point. 12" or 2" same principle. Yes I am going to print & send this to Dick Goki & I will post his response. No back to ohio inspection the 2 kids said move your suspension 2". I said I can't its impossible in the pits please get Mickey he knows suspensions & can look at the design & see I have 3 in the back & 5 up frt. Mickey comes over & says nope rules say 2" . Kirschs goes Mickey its carbon fiber front we can't jump on it. 2" or you don't race. we are jumping up & down & Mickey goes not enough shock is coil binding. Mickey look shocks are Cat air shocks at least 5" travel for bumps(never looked we kept jumping to we flexed it 2"). By the way the shocks have 700 lbs of nitrogen, are valved stiff & a Polaris 180/310 spring & as a driver I know its still too soft at 118 in a rough shutdown & it did not move more than an 1" in tech the belly pan was flexing from us jumping on it giving a 2" illusion. This why Sunday in Mickey's pits when I pushed on his sled & it moved 2" I said its way too soft that dangerous but I will race you anyhow because I came to race( his rookie driver wheelied up & did a great job of saving it) The other major issue was Mickey's sled had 3/8 or 7/16 drilled  at the edge of a lightening milled slot on the spindle arms. The other problem was 2 big cracks in welds on top of the frame for the FIREWall to protect the driver from hot water.

I'll finish with one more post hopefully everyone who attends the next rules meeting is reading this because Mickey told me he's going to pass a rule that all open mods wiegh 500 lbs

Rich Daly

Rich ,

You are the ONLY one other than myself on this forum that understands suspension !

unfortunatly we cannot POUND this into those who are still stuck in the dark ages.

When this open mod topic came up a few months back I stated,,

(I would not put Walter Joy on a sled with only two inches of travel on grass. )

The response was like it was when AKE JOHNSON put his Maico forks on his Yamaha back in 74!!  LOL

This is why I am back into motocross ( remeber the des nations in 87?? that dyno port guy with the Honda pipe that was really big volume ? ). I forget NOTHING !

Sno x is just the same game in winter

In a 5 or 7 years the sport of grass racing will evolve to catch up with you and the few others who are inelligent enough to keep at it.

Don't loose to much sleep Rich, It took centuries for the RULES MAKERS to realize the earth really is ROUND  !

Gus

MR.Boost my motor was built by john hooper my pipes are jaws carbs crank shop chassis and suspention by extreme raceing look at all and i stress all the fast pro stock sleds and ck there suspentions i think you will find extreme racing stamped on them so as far as being so astute on the workings of a rear skid in a snowmobile.how many have you built that are on winning sleds as far as that goes has anything you built been even remotly fast if so you would still be in the sport. souds like you have a hart on for mickey and are useing this fourm to express your feelings if im not mistaken i dont remember seeing you at ohio so all your info is second hand.if you had any you would confrount the man to his face .at least ill give clay and rich that much.and that goes for the rest of you key board ameture wantaby racers.so dont  this big man off im not very nice ask around.

    and i will sign my post bob t.......

I did not see any Mickey suspensions, sleds, or chassis @ Haydays, so to say all the fast Pro-Stocks are stamped by Mickey is not an accurate or fair statement...

It clearly is a conflict of interest to have a tech man that has sleds racing..  It also is a conflict when the tech man wants to see inside motors, chassis, etc for the benefit of his own shop or business, not saying this is the case with Mickey, but one could draw that assumption...

I want to stress the fast Pro-Stocks and Mods @ Haydays all had ProLine or Wahl, or some were hand built such as Gerry Iantomasi, I never saw a Mickey suspension all weekend..

These issues and conflicts are bad for the sport, one way to eliminate all this is not have a tech-man that has sleds racing, this clearly would have eliminated this argument.

Also, I noted from the pictures from the Ohio Sno-Bash, photos of a Ski-Doo XP prototype.

Not sure why this was allowed to race and pass tech, this clearly was not legal!!!

I reread my post Bob, I don't see his name or any shop or persons names in them.?

In fact I stated those who are intelligent enoughto keep the sport evolving."" that included Mickey . I don't even know you bob. But feel free to lash out at me if you like. You are right, I never have won anything or had any sleds or engines that ran.. this was about congratulating Clay Rafferty and good old Walt??

Suspension changes are what will save grass, the tracks are not going to evolve fast enough, you must learn to add travel , valve and spring for it.

Gus

Bob,  do you really think its a good idea to be making threats to people on here !!  I think you should relax a little , your buddy Mickey did wrong to a bunch of people and apperently thier not very happy about it .

Bman ,  wasnt it you about a year ago that was cutting up Mickey telling everybody he ripped your brother off ??

I  didn't even read his entire rant..

You threaten me ??

Grow up . Like I said who are you??

Guy's , sorry for the tensions.

Gus

i posted what is happening to grass racing.  just read this post and everyone will know.  mickeys prostocks 8's  were 1.5 to 2 tenths faster then anyone at ohio.  bad luck is why they didn't win.  you guys from the west haven't a clue how his 800's go or any of his stuff because you won't travel to race him.  when he went to hay days he never lost.  the guys out west show great numbers.  1.0 60 fts, now do it on a port-a-tree light system.  when you can't pull them back 2 feet or have a rolling start like some, we'll see how your numbers stand.  bob t mr.boost aka gus bohne did have a fast 800 ps.  it was walters but it also has a mickey skid in it .  the fast of the fast has his skids. 

you know all the guys on here that are complaining must be the guys that are struggling and not winning so  they need excuses.  you don't see clay, joe lowell, chuck hammer, dickey morin, mcneely, or other fast people writing anything.   

ProstockBenji wrote:

Bob,  do you really think its a good idea to be making threats to people on here !!  I think you should relax a little , your buddy Mickey did wrong to a bunch of people and apperently thier not very happy about it . Bman ,  wasnt it you about a year ago that was cutting up Mickey telling everybody he ripped your brother off ??

and so no one thinks i am hiding behind a screen name i'll sign mine,  brian manseau