Snowmobile Racing

http://www.vpracingfuels.com/vp-import-spec.html?lnum=15271181 

Link to spec sheet for VP Import. Do you see the part that says OXYGENATED?

And you don't consider Oxygenated fuel a "power adder"?

Keep calling me names, it works wonders.

Mike Hills, just how many COSDRA races have you actually ran your own sled at?

Stick to asphalt, you can continue to "attract" new people there.

 I think people are forgetting the reason for spec fuel was mostly Haydays a couple years back when some sleds were burning fuel that smelled like a garbage dump. It did cause respiratory problems for other racers and if I remember correctly, it passed fuel tests.

Power adder and Top Fuel classes are a whole differnt beast not the future of the sport but really really cool stuff. I'm talking ISR stock based (Stock, IMP, PRO stock classes) and mod stuff. need to use non power adding fuel without oxy or other additves or enhancers. I don't have my ISR book with me today but it even states use of power enhancing fuels is not legal or something to that effect. So no U4.2 etc!!!!

Joe,

I have crewed on a ps800 all season long on the COSDRA circuit, and last winter on the ice. I also am a major sponsor of various COSDRA races and of SnoBash, on top of what I do for asphalt. I also used to race ps1000 when COSDRA was at Fenwick, so I'm not sure what your point is Joe? What have you done for the racers in the past two years Joe? We all know your motives. Get over it and move on. Go be a bigshot at a backyard race somewhere.

we went after torco 2 years ago to help bring more money to the sport    ice   and grass  . we made progress when we were able to get 5000  bonus money at the world series in 2008 .  we were close        with allen from torco for 2009 season to get 50,000 from torco to spread over the races for 2009.

then unfortunatly they shut down.    chris does not care if there is a spec fuel , his goal was to atract VP to hopefully do something similar,   remeber haydays 2 years ago about the questionable fuel and health hazzards.   i beleive chris was doing his best to make it an even playing field at the top gun shootout, to eliminate any questions with someones fuel.

i personally dont care what fuel you run as long as it passes tech.   it is true VP has not put any money in the sport yet.

bill

So long as you use a spec fuel with no contribution, there IS NO incentive for a fuel supplier to pony up.  Its a freebie for some guys (Like VP).

 In all honesty, if a fuel supplier wanted to get on board, it would be in thier best interest to PONY UP EARLY, get on board, and sell the fuel at half msrp to the Promoter. The promoter in turn could sell the spec fuel, and put the money into the purse for that venue.   DO IT EARLY, so guys can tune/clutch with that fuel.

Joe, Did Kris stomp on your pet turtle or what?  Let it go..

I don't agree with that spec fuel BS, even though I can understand what Chris was trying to do, because it SURE stuck us the wrong way when we spent time tuning and prepping our stocker on ISR legal pump gas only to arrive blindly at HayDays to be told we had to run a VP spec fuel and pump gas wasn't allowed?

Ah, so much for ISR "stock" I suppose... the only thing that runs right on a race fuel is a modded engine??? So we went slower then ever because our stocker wouldn't burn that VP they forced us to run because our ISR legal pump gas from the gas station down the street from HayDays wouldn't pass their VP di-electric test.  

But they follow ISR rules, but then they don't, but then they do when it benefits a select few...

Fair? Ppffsss... don't get me started.

U4 VP  was the garbage dump smelling fuel from a couple years back at Haydays my understanding is that you can blend it down with pump gas to get it to pass the dielectric(although still a little suspect) but will pass, will not pass the reagent tests.......but will not pass the smell test can still smell it nasty stuff.

MN pump gas has a ton of ethanol in most of it. Pretty sure you can get fuel without it in MN though.

In no way should ISR stocker sleds have to run "race" fuel, if they are running higher octane race fuel (except for some 440 and new 600 sno-cross based sleds) something is NOT STOCK in the motor.

also need to add I commend Kris for what he was trying to do I fully understand but I don't think a blanket VP spec fuel was the answer for stock class.

I think Kris and his team(Geo, Corey etc) truely try to put on a great show everytime they put one on and for the most part they do. Being a tech guy for a bunch of people that lie about what is under the hood or in the gas tank everytime you speak to them is a thankless job......would you believe the guy that is truely honest?

skidoo88:

MN pump gas has a ton of ethanol in most of it. Pretty sure you can get fuel without it in MN though.

In no way should ISR stocker sleds have to run "race" fuel, if they are running higher octane race fuel (except for some 440 and new 600 sno-cross based sleds) something is NOT STOCK in the motor.

Ran good in the generator though! LOL!

Read the spec's on that VP MS93 (or whatever that was), tell me it's not a race fuel with how dense it is... way more dense then even C12!  VP doesn't even list it under their "snowmobile" fuels. Yup, it's for consistency, consistently SLOW...

I agree they have a tough job tech'ing, and give anyone in tech credit, but really don't think pump gas is the new hidden nitrothethane for stockers. That was a little too far.

I picked up some MS 93 before Haydays for testing. I called a VP dealer in IN ,was passing through the state so was easier to get than here in IA. I got some c14 and ms93 and he asks me why do I want ms 93 before he even knew what I was using it in and I replied stock snowmobile drag racing on grass he then replied "I don't think that is really what you want to use for that" I said no it is not but that it was a spec fuel for those classes. Now the VP guy really doesn't care what I use it for he really just wants to sell some fuel and he is questioning it before I use.

Legal Fuel?  Really haveing a spec. fuel just makes teching easier.  How many techs can tell you what illegal additive is actually in your fuel?   ISR from my memory allows ethanol in fuel up to???  Now that just makes dectecing stuff even harder.  Pump fuel.... seriously that stuff's quality is all over the place.  What exactly is legal and illegal?  If you have a spec fuel it either tests out as gas X or you toss them.  It's that easy.  When you have 100's of different fuels it's just not that easy to do.  1,4 Dioxane is the chemical in a lot of what was being advertised as meter beater fuel.  It can be detected with a Reagent D test.  Which isn't cheap and easy to do all the time as compated to say a meter test.  IMHO it's a test of last resort. 

Back to the spec fuel thing.  It could be more than one spec. fuel.  The fuel specs. are available.  Instead of running spec. fuel X.  Why not allow W, X, Y and Z.  That should solve what sounds like price gouging and make avialability a little easier.  Also as far as pump fuel Amoco Ultimate non-ethanol is the only consistent pump fuel I've seen.   

Does everybody at a COSDRA race run the spec. fuel? 

i ran 93 vp in my 2 stockers at the top gun shootout,  but normally i run pump gas

bill

xcrspx:

Legal Fuel?  Really haveing a spec. fuel just makes teching easier.  How many techs can tell you what illegal additive is actually in your fuel?   ISR from my memory allows ethanol in fuel up to???  Now that just makes dectecing stuff even harder.  Pump fuel.... seriously that stuff's quality is all over the place.  What exactly is legal and illegal?  If you have a spec fuel it either tests out as gas X or you toss them.  It's that easy.  When you have 100's of different fuels it's just not that easy to do.  1,4 Dioxane is the chemical in a lot of what was being advertised as meter beater fuel.  It can be detected with a Reagent D test.  Which isn't cheap and easy to do all the time as compated to say a meter test.  IMHO it's a test of last resort. 

Back to the spec fuel thing.  It could be more than one spec. fuel.  The fuel specs. are available.  Instead of running spec. fuel X.  Why not allow W, X, Y and Z.  That should solve what sounds like price gouging and make avialability a little easier.  Also as far as pump fuel Amoco Ultimate non-ethanol is the only consistent pump fuel I've seen.   

Does everybody at a COSDRA race run the spec. fuel? 

If not, then it's like trying to tell someone they can only drink Labatt and not Bud on the premises. 

BTW, our pump gas was 10% ethanol but the COSDRA electical test said it was more like 40%, no good correlation there for % but it did signal between oxygenated pump gas and race fuel.

Eh, all part of playing the game I suppose. We ran C12 in our pro machines without concern.

One reason it tested high would be if COSDRA didnt change the test meter. Normal fuel is tested with the meter at 55, if you are allowing pump fuels which have alcohol in them you need to change the meter to 77. Also, the dioxane used to set the meter and the fuel sample need to be the same temp. to have the test read properly.

Bay City Bullet:

it should say "junk for sale"   !!!!!!!!  everytime you open your mouth something stupid comes out !

 Thankyou to all that have posted, it means alot to me.

Also if you guys could find it in your hearts ,stop bashing JOE O..  He is only upset about never geting his point money from COSDRA ,I think.

Randy Hazard

Randy ,  I think if you took over the Competition Fuels dealership you would find alot of people supporting you , its good fuel and always priced better .

Benji

ProstockBenji:

Bay City Bullet:

Sleds & parts for sale: http://cs.amsnow.com/snocs/forums/p/57416/277222.aspx#277222

it should say "junk for sale"   !!!!!!!!  everytime you open your mouth something stupid comes out !

I'll have to say you are the second best ambassador for the sport. #2 will do.