Snowmobile Racing

Seems short sighted to have this on a NSA date!

FWIW, its been this weekend for the last 8 years , with the exception of last year.  It was also announced the first of this year, after checking everyones websites for dates.

Oppps!! My bad!  Last November.

http://cs.amsnow.com/snocs/forums/p/53190/258229.aspx#258229

Mike,

Great job on the flyer its looks geat. We'll see you at ESTA I'll have at least one sled this year, working on a big one not sure if it will be done in time!

Vince

last year there was a guard rail issue with the nsa crew ,   not sure how many of them showed race day ?    anyone know ,   abbotts/cullens  seem to be always at esta , and do very well ,  the payouts would have to be weighed against the nsa race i guess ,  i dont see a problem there. if there wasnt last year.   last year it was the syara nats and grass drags , so he moved it ,   this year there isnt a conflict there ,  ....wondering how many nsa racers showed last year ?    curious....?   dont see a problem .

i understand where your comming from puddytat , with the twin class ,  you guys put alot of work and effort into your perticular class ,  esta is just going by the amount they payed out trying this class last year based on the 7 i think entries ,   sure glenn probably effected the entries , he is non natural asp , turbo ,  this puts him in the same class as a 2o twin ,   wich is open with one power adder , i dont see any promotor effectivly justifying a twin class with only 2o allowed and not the turbo , it would have to be a twin natural asp class no "AFTER MARKET"   p-adders ,    or there is favoritism toward one after market power adder by excluding the other,    factory set ups allowed.....if it comes from the assembly line , ok , after market power adders excluded......would be the only way to run it and get entries from a payout stand point...imo

ronno i here you but the way i look at it is the turbo on a 2 stroke or for that matter 4 stroke is a very expensive endeavor which not to many can afford besides then having to go through what it takes to make them work. your looking upwards of 6K when compared to a NOS kit which at most is 1200.00 it is the poor mans power adder. factor in that all we have seen out on the tar for twins in the past few years only 1 turbo owned by wealth and tuned by wealth with no disrespect to that just saying there is only 1 compared to many NOS twins sleds out there many of which who choose not to compete for second place when the turbo was in it again no disrespect.

n20 is an in expensive power adder (other then blow usp but goes with anything go fast product) that almost everyone who mods a sled with a big bore, lets say, can afford. I am hopefull Martin continues with it one more time to see if it can work and more sleds show up. This makes for a nice race with some twins that can fly pretty good. I suggested that an index class might be another alternative for the bracket for a day as that allows heads up racing which ultimately is every ones way they want to race. I would allow factory turbo Z! and let them add the hi jacker why not makes for a larger better up to date race.

ptm

i understand what your trying to do and why ,  also the cost difference between the two power adders , i dont make the decisions , if i did it would be a difficult one ,   your class seperating power adders ,  thats touchy ground .....from a technical stand point !,  from an ethical  and financial finacial stand point it makes sence.  from a buisness stand point ,  there would be a level of riskyness to a n2o only power adder class wether it be twin or 3 or 4 cyl....

I see it as putting the giant with the giants otherwise if I or any other NOS twin wants to come and compete this year heads up it will have be the little twins trying to compete with ALL the giants and that hardly seems fair. At least last year there was only one :( or we just stay home and save our money.

 ptm 

your imput is definatly appreciated  , understood , and respected....ptm   ,   ....ron

How many entries would be needed to run a twin  power adder class. It woulld be nice to have a class to race in.

Tony

I would think 16, but I am not sure.   

I would think Pre-Registering would be a great thing for both sides. Maybe a few dollar discount? And that way its locked in?  

Wow 16 thats alot of entries.  Just trying to guage to see if maybe 8-10 would commit before the date if we could have a class. How many entries did you have last year other than bracket class?

Tony

Tony-

  I dont want to give you the wrong info. The best bet is to contact Vern.   His link is on his post on the previous page.

i believe there was a full field   of 16  in open power adder ,  and pro-stock 1000  ,    and only 7 in the p-adder twin ,       thus the decision so far this year ,      in a way its kinda sad , seeing as how almost all new sleds comming out of the shorwrooms these days are twins ,   perhaps qualifying for 1 thru 16 spot by best e-t ,  then run off by dial in  to determine the winner would generate the needed numbers as all 16 would have an equal opertunity to win ,   but i dont make the call ,    this is the exact reason why index racing was created to begin with ....i think if you believe you have a shot at  top 5 finish your willing to throw in your entry , cuz youl be a part of the show and at least have a chance to get your entry back or better ya never know ,  so you look at the sleds entered and decide , 7 decided last year they had a shot for a money spot.     maybe rich will have some imput , as most of the aftermarket performance stuff these days centers on the new twins ,  he may get feed back from sponsers on the class....

Thanks Ron. 

Shock I cant buy that we need 16 minimum since one year the power adder big guns didnt have that many, I think only 12-13, which a smaller sleds with a power adder entered because the last qualifier made some money and he was all but guarntied that.

I feel there are enough power adder NOS twins out there coupled with the Z1 turbos that could make not only for a decent sized ( I would hope 8-10) field but some good racing as I feel they all would be cloasely competitive. On all motor while the thought is this may open the field to more sleds I feel the opposite will happen because it would not be as equal a playing field and many would not enter. This is where the Index class racing would attract many who want heads up and this could replace the bracket. 

While we all want to win some bigger money that is not why we go we go to compete heads up and other then competiting for second place with the turbo in there it made for some good grudge racing.

ptm 

Sounds to me like everyone wants a Power Adder Twin Minus Glenn Hall Class . If no one wants to race him , just pay him half the purse to stay out of the class . If ya can't beat em , and can't join em , just exclude them ... LOL How can you justify a class to exclude just one sled ? All the other years were about Stans sled not fitting a class . Now it's " lets not let the sled that fits all the rules of the power adder twin class run "

 I guess I gotta jump in on this.  Puddytatman and I and a few other people went back and forth on this issue on the Factory Hot Rod Post by Jamie.  Good reasons on both sides.  The problem is the same few people are lobbying either for or against the power adder twin class.  We need more people to post on this so the promoters can see which way the interest is going so that they can make a decision.  I sent an email to Vern over a week ago and didn't get a response.  I'm sure he looked at it and is probably hoping for more input from others.  I still think an all motor twin class would have be better chance of increased entries than the power adder class because in addition to those without NOS who either can't afford the seemingly small fee "$1200" or don't have the time to dial it in would certainly enter and those with NOS will remove it and compete if the money is good.   Plus, even though I was for excluding the turbo, Ron has a valid point about picking which power adders you can run.  Some people could have turbos that are not in the same class as Glen (who is) that would run in the same range as some of these big twins with NOS with way more invested and they would be excluded.  Either way I've said all along that I hope some form of twin class is still available because it does represent the new market. 

Formula you are talking out your *** right now and more then obvious you have absolutely no clue. If you did my sled has always had a class and I competed. Maybe you should race something more then your keyboard and you might have a clue.

ptm

Eric If some has a big bore in there sled it cost more than 1200.00 so it's all were you want to spend your money, others just bought a nitrous kit with a stock motor and spend alot of time tuning. If it is a all motor twin class what class can we run twin power adder sleds and have a chance?

Tony

two sugestions for twins  

1.  8 entries 1000 payout   16 entries 2000

2.  enter padder twin , cant bump to padder open , same as p-adder open cant bump to pro-stock 1000, this would fairly devide the performance levels

WHAT DO YA THINK ?  

richy rich ?   lol        

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