Snowmobile Racing

steve , be a good boy , constructive , not confrontational posts....lol    signed :    SLOB

my idea above doesnt punish anyone for there performance ,  simply seperates the levels and allows a racer to make a choice on the level they want to race at ,  

Ron , not trying to make a confrontational post . Shoot me your email address when you get a chance .

Formulaski@yahoo.com

Got a question for ya .

Stan , I bracket race only and do OK at it . Don't have the time , money and am too big to race heads up . I may have had you confused with someone else . My apologies if that is the case . Just sounds like no one would have a problem with the twin power adder class if Glenn Hall was out of the picture . I would like to see a twin class of some type , but how do you make rules that will allow allow nitrous only and only certain turbos unless you have a " nitrous twin class " with no turbos of any kind .

What people need to remember is that Glenn has been at this a long time.Who says that if it were n2o only that he wouldn't still put a whoopin' on everyone.It's not just Glenn either.This year it could be someone else.Figure out what the class will be and stick to it and let people build to it.You will never please everyone.The index idea sounds the most workable and even to everyone.We all do this for fun so let's have some fun.

poorboy:

What people need to remember is that Glenn has been at this a long time.Who says that if it were n2o only that he wouldn't still put a whoopin' on everyone.It's not just Glenn either.This year it could be someone else.Figure out what the class will be and stick to it and let people build to it.You will never please everyone.The index idea sounds the most workable and even to everyone.We all do this for fun so let's have some fun.

That's what I said in the "Factory Hot Rod" Post.  Some of these big teams will still show up making big HP on NOS and still dominate.   Even with all motor the big teams should have the upper hand but I think it will draw the field closer and make people like me think that they actually may have a chance.  Were all just lobbyist trying to point out the pros & cons.  I agree with the few guys with power adders that have been dedicated to the twin class for the past few years, but obviously somethings got to change. Whether it be all motor, no turbos or anything goes, just pick it, but don't cut the twins.  Its all fun for me

This is the closest I've felt to being a politician.  No more for me.

I think in any given class the big guys, the guys with the deepest pockets, who are in the business to sell, could come and dominate and they do. To me the turbo is in a class of its own for the twin two stroke. I mean the amount of time and money needed to make the thing run and live usually eliminates most everyone and if it were that easy I think we would see many more out there but we are not and I am talking 2 stroke twins. That sled is not being slighted to be dropped from the twin class as we have seen it is amung the quickest and fastest sleds on the tar period as was evident in its wins in the bigger class which really is the glory for them.

Regardless of pros or cons it would be nice to keep the twin class and just say what it will be and hopefully this will be for both races. Time is a ticking and anyone who has built a NOS sled knows there is significant changes that must be made to run all motor then you have to test so knowing this early would be nice. Only so many weekends to go.

ptm

 formula I lobby of course for myself but for the class period as I know many who have built these sleds for this class and it is a shame we do nto have more competitors. Obvioulsy it is not about winning lots of cash as no one is in this for that but more so building something to compete and having fun. The sled Ithink you think is mine is my friend Jim Rogers which to date is still the quickest and fastest snowmobile on the asphalt. I lobbied for him and his sled as I would anyone I know.

i guess yo all missed or didnt comprehend my idea ,   

how many  power adder twins entered open power adder last year ?   1-glenn

give the racer a choice , either p-adder twin ,  or open p-adder ,  not both,    problem solved

make the racer decide between the two classes based on his performance level,  and choose 1 ,   not both.....

whats the prob with this idea ?    or do we just like to ramble on ?  

I like it good one ronno....................

tks  ,     dont know why anyone wouldnt ,  except someone who wants to try for two class wins , when most of us are trying to finish in the top 5.in 1..lol    ,  anyone else like the idea ?   twin mod guys ?  come together on this deal , and it may be a possibility.....if ya twin mod guys stay seperated on the subject , probably wont happen....

this could bring incentive to come together   ,

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or just remind me of weds nights turpintine chicken riggy sauce....

Ron I also like your idea. I will make the trip if my hooptie runs decent

thanks ,       the modern twins deserve       a playing field........hope i found a    medium...

steve , got your e-mail ,    dont realy care about that coment ,   i know you and understand where your comming from on your comments,     your a good guy.......comical  posts aside , if ya get what i mean...lol

so if i have a sled in the big twin class...i cant run bracket? or index?  I can see how this would help for us twin guys but if someone can run more than one class then more power to them.  I dont see how this would be fair, cuz if you do it to the twin class then you will have to do it to every other class racing.  And whose to say then Glenn will run open padder and not twinpadder and still put a whoopin on us.  I dont see how this will address the problem in the twin class.  If im wrong...please explain

Brad, what I think Ron is saying is that Gens goal is not to beat up on the little guys,so I think he would run open twin and if anyone thinks they have a shot at the rocket they can step up and run open twin. Myself I have seen that sled fly with my own eyes, not hear say and I will not step up to open twin thats why I didn't at martin. That sled is not in our twin leauge and we all know that. If you look at past event we all run very close to each other with in tenths. Thats why I think Rons idea will work.

 Just my .02

 Tony

anyone can run bracket !!

as far as power adder twin   ,  my idea was ,  power adder twin   or   open power adder  ,  cant enter both ,   someone with glenns calliber of performance would have to decide between the two ,  this doesnt exclude a twin with his level of performance from entering the twin p-adder ,  but if he does , he wouldnt be able to run open power adder wich is open to 1 2 3 4  cylinder power adder sleds , it would come down to pride being the guide ...if ya know what i mean.....lol     it would guide the racer into the class that best suits his level of performance ,   the same way  open power adder cant enter pro-stock 1000 ,       all heads up racers can enter the bracket race if they feel they can make the rounds on top of heads up elims.

bare in mind this was just my idea  i was running by you guys ,  to try and revive the twin class , again i dont make these decisions ,  was just trying to come up with an lagitament alternative that would stimulate entries and make the class viable ,   and give vern something to consider.

n2oron:

i guess yo all missed or didnt comprehend my idea ,   

how many  power adder twins entered open power adder last year ?   1-glenn

give the racer a choice , either p-adder twin ,  or open p-adder ,  not both,    problem solved

make the racer decide between the two classes based on his performance level,  and choose 1 ,   not both.....

whats the prob with this idea ?    or do we just like to ramble on ?  

Ron, what happen to the all motor side of the argument.  Problem only solved for the Glen Hall issue unless he decides to steel the money from the twin class.  I guess we'll just stick to bracket racing where we belong.  Its just as well, that way I don't have to find a 140 lb rider and miss out on all the fun LOL.

Eric, your sled would be competitive it the twin class

comes down to the majority ,   it has to because the main issue is entries ,  appears most want the twin class to be a power adder one ,  plus you also have the new production turbo twin cat out there , there are many options this way , spray a stocker ,  and run against a twin 1200 on the motor ,  then theres the guy spraying the 1200 ..lol    ya just never know , especialy at esta ,  traction set up is critical, as far as glenns sled ,  it realy is an open power adder sled ,  has run 7's in the quarter hasnt it..lol  there are alot of 4 stroke turbo's out there these days ,  makeing big power ,   glenns is a 2 stroke turbo , big bore makeing in excess of 400hp   ,  if that isnt open power adder , nothing is..lol   the average mod twin 2-stroke on a boat load of jazz  ,makes mid 200 hp  somewhere.  

 I would think all someone has to do is guarantee Vern that the class will turn a profit and guarantee the payout and you would have your class. Someone needs to step up as I would think esta will not. You guys get together and see where you go with it?

profit for the track comes from gate fee's  ,   spons and reg fees go back to the racers ,  when you guarentee a payout like this race has always done , you rely on a certain number of entrants to make the payout ,   if your paying 2 grand and have 7 entrants in for 100 bucks each ,  spons money cant make up the dif , so it would come out of the gate or track profit ,   this is why in most races relying on turn out the payout is based on entrants ,  not the way this race has been run , always advertised guarenteed payouts ,  wich i believe has helped promote turn out.  guarenteeing payouts is risky buisness....lol    lots of sponsers helps...